F-35:太贵了,用不起,也损失不起
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核心提示:正如一位作者所言,F35 是美国史上最大的浪费,“ 太贵了,用不起,也损失不起”。
F-35:太贵了,用不起,也损失不起
F-35: TOO EXPENSIVE TO USE. TOO EXPENSIVE TO LOSE
君子冲盈
译文简介:正如一位作者所言,F35 是美国史上最大的浪费,“ 太贵了,用不起,也损失不起”。
正文翻译
The F35 is the greatest boondoggle in American history, as one writer says, “too expensive to use, too expensive to lose”. Over its lifespan, it will cost the American taxpayer $1.7 trillion. An F35B costs $138 million dollars and over $36,000 an hour to operate.
正如一位作者所言,F35 是美国史上最大的浪费,“ 太贵了,用不起,也损失不起”。
在其寿命期内,它将耗费美国纳税人1.7万亿美元,一架 F35B 的成本为1.38亿美元,每小时的运营成本超过3.6万美元。0
Last year, there were reports that the Syrians had downed an F35 over Syria with a Soviet era S200. The Israelis claimed a bird did it—over Israel. Nobody really knows.
The Syrians certainly shot something down! And it wasn’t an…um…bird.
去年,有报道称叙利亚人用苏联时代的 S200 在叙利亚上空击落了一架 F35,以色列人声称是一只鸟干的,而且是在以色列空域——没有人知道真相究竟如何。
叙利亚人肯定击落了什么东西 ! 而且那不是一只 ... 呃 ... 鸟。
However, it is unlikely that the Israelis are using the F35 over Syria. Losing an F35 to the Syrians–especially to a large anti-Zionist Syrian crow – would be too big embarrassment. Most IDF strikes inside Syria seem to have been carried out by F16s, which are faster, carry more ordinance and have the maneuverability to avoid incoming missiles if they detect them early enough.
然而,以色列不太可能在叙利亚使用 F35,损失一架 F35战机,输给叙利亚人,尤其是输给一群反犹太复国主义的叙利亚人,将会非常尴尬。多数以色列国防军在叙利亚境内发动的空袭都是由 F16战斗机执行的,这种战斗机速度更快,携带更多的弹药,如果能尽早发现来袭的导弹,以其机动性,可以避开来袭的导弹。
Another point….
Gen. Tod Wolters, who leads U.S. European Command, offered this explanation:
还有一点.......
美国欧洲司令部司令托德·沃尔特斯将军给出了这样的解释:
“You cannot operate an F-35 in the vicinity of an S-400. They won’t talk to each other, and what the two systems will attempt to do, certainly the S-400 against the F-35, is attempt to exploit the F-35’s capabilities.”
“你不能在 S-400 附近使用F35,这两系统是不对付的,S-400 如果对上 F35,显然 S-400 会利用机会测试和寻找F35的漏洞。”
The US, of course, has been using the F22 in Eastern Syria and Iraq within range of Russian systems, which now reportedly can detect even this more capable stealth aircraft.
当然,美国一直在叙利亚东部和伊拉克使用 F22,且在俄罗斯的防空系统范围内,据报道现在连F22这种能力更强的隐身飞机都能探测到。0
Yes, the Americans tried out the F35 in Afghanistan, since locals throwing rocks weren’t much of a threat. The sales point of the F35 is “stealth”, which is only fine–when your opponent doesn’t have much in the way of advanced radar equipment.
是的,美国人在阿富汗试用了 F35,因为当地人扔石头并不构成威胁,F35的卖点是“隐形”,但这只有在你的对手没有太多先进雷达设备的情况下才行。
“Stealth” is not invisibility.
“隐形”并非不可见
The Russians have yet to allow S300 or S400 launches in Syria thanks to a tacit agreement with the Israelis not to exacerbate regional tensions: so, it is not just that the very, very pragmatic Israelis don’t want to use the unreliable F35 over Syria, whose antiaircraft systems to be so much more sophisticated than, say, Lebanon—they don’t want to provoke the Russians.
俄罗斯尚未允许 S300 或 S400 在叙利亚开火,这要归功于以色列与俄罗斯达成了不加剧地区紧张局势的默契 :
因此,极度务实的以色列不想在叙利亚上空使用不可靠的 F35,叙利亚的防空系统要比黎巴嫩复杂得多——而且他们也不想激怒俄国人。
The last time they did that, the Russians supplied the Syrians with the S300–albeit keeping control of these systems. The warning is obvious: there are redlines.
上一次他们这样做,俄罗斯人向叙利亚人提供了S300——尽管俄罗斯保持了对这些系统的控制, 警告很明显:勿踩红线。
The Pentagon doesn’t really want this dog. Dogs don’t fly.
五角大楼不想要这只狗——这狗它不会飞啊。
The nation’s “defense” industry is a malapropism: all its wars are offensive. If the weapons don’t work too well — it doesn’t matter–because the US doesn’t fight anyone but third world countries. The more expensive and complicated the weapons are, the better it is for he companies that make them. How else can a poor CEO buy that second island in the Caribbean and a new private jet?
美国的 "国防 "工业是一个恶性循环:它所有的战争都是进攻性的,如果武器不太好用——也无所谓——因为美国除了第三世界国家,谁也不打。
武器越昂贵、越复杂,对制造武器的公司就越有利,否则,一个可怜的CEO怎么能买得下加勒比海两个岛屿、一架新私人飞机?
The Russians and Chinese do defense differently – because for them it actually is defense.
俄罗斯人和中国人的“国防”防御方式不同——因为对他们来说,国防是真国防。
When Putin took over, he made it clear to the oligarchs who previously owned the country that they either deferred to the State, or got out. Some went to prison. Some got out. Russia is still very unequal but the Rich toe the line just as they do in China.
普京上台后,他向曾经拥有这个国家的寡头们明确表示,他们要么听命于国家,要么滚出去,有些人进了监狱,有些人逃了出来,尽管俄罗斯仍然非常不平等,但是其富人和中国富人一样,遵规守矩。
When the Ministry of Defense is not satisfied with a military product, either in terms of cost or performance, it simply cuts orders. This was the case with the Su57. Originally, the government had envisioned putting up to 250 of these aircraft into service by 2025. Now, Russia will get 76 aircraft at a 20% reduction in cost, with better engines, hypersonic weapons, electronics, improved stealth and general finish.
在俄罗斯,当俄国防部对军事不满意时,别管你是成本问题还是性能问题,都会直接削减订单,苏57就是这种情况,原本,政府设想在2025年之前将多达250架这种战机投入使用,但现在,俄罗斯只采购76架,成本降低了20%,配备了更好的发动机、高超音速武器、电子设备,改进了隐身性和总体完成度。
And the Su57 will cost about $35 to $40 million each compared to the 138 million of the 35B or the $300 million of an F22. One reason for the discrepancy is that US companies expect the taxpayer to pay R&D and developmental costs, which are added to the flyaway cost. Of course, the companies use that R&D for lucrative commercial projects as well.
苏57每架成本约为3500万至4000万美元,而 F35B 的造价是1.38亿美元,F22更是高达3亿美元。
造成这种差异的一个原因是,美国公司希望纳税人支付研发和开发费用,而这些费用是加在成本中的,当然,这些公司也会把这些研发费用用于利润丰厚的商业项目。
The Su57 is a good example but also the T-14 (Armata) tank, where orders were slashed until the contractor promised to a. reduce costs; b. address performance issues.
苏57是一个很好的例子,T-14 ( 阿玛塔 ) 坦克也是 ,其订单被削减,直到承包商承诺:a. 降低成本;b. 解决性能问题。
Putin made clear that Russia is a developing democracy. In the end, the people will rule, oligarchs or not.
普京明确表示,俄罗斯是一个发展中的民主国家,不管有没有寡头,这个国家都将由人民来统治。
By contrast, the US is an “inverted totalitarian state”, or, if you like a “managed” democracy. It is not really a modern state in germs of governance, since it is defined by an 18th Century constitution and institutions, designed to prevent rather than enable democratic rule. The US loved Yeltsin because his “system” was really theirs.
相比之下,美国是一个“倒置的极权国家”—— 如果你喜欢的话,也可以用“有管理的”民主国家这个说法。
它并不是一个真正的现代国家,因为它是由18世纪的宪法和制度定义的,旨在防止而不是促成民主统治。
美国喜欢叶利钦,因为他的“体制”实际上是他们的。
评论翻译Scaathor
"Most IDF strikes inside Syria seem to have been carried out by F16s, which are faster, carry more ordinance and have the maneuverability to avoid incoming missiles if they detect them early enough."
Untrue. IAF attacks use stand-off missiles fired from either Lebanese airspace or from the Eastern Mediterrean Sea. Their aircraft don't enter Syrian airspace as its now too dangerous.
“多数以色列国防军在叙利亚境内发动的空袭都是由 F16战斗机执行的,这种战斗机速度更快,携带更多的弹药,如果能尽早发现来袭的导弹,以其机动性,可以避开来袭的导弹。”
——这个说法不对,以色列空军攻击使用的是从黎巴嫩领空或东地中海发射的导弹,他们的飞机不能进入叙利亚领空,因为现在太危险了。
Jihadi Colin
Right, after a Zionistani F 16 was eliminated by an old Syrian S200 they no longer enter Syrian airspace.
对,一架犹太复国主义份子的F16 被叙利亚老式的 S200 击落后,他们不再进入叙利亚领空。
Jim Allen
F-35 the aircraft that became the poster boy representing "The Sunk Cost Fallacy."
It's like US military is determined to lose the war it's provoking against an alliance of countries US cannot defeat in conventional war.
US has no advantage in using its nukes, any launch of nuclear weapons towards Russia, and/or allies, initiates a counter-attack that is targeting US Strategic Command Centers, ICBM bases, and decision making centers. Russia has it's hypersonic weapons deployed, while US can track these incoming, it has no defense.
The chance Western nukes will reach their targets is slim, given the speed, and accuracy of Russian defenses, the incoming nukes will be intercepted before reaching Russia's border's. Those launched from EU bases.
The West does have it's big military, spread thin worldwide, and at the ends of long lines of communications. Very expensive logistics, and very vulnerable to disruption by enemy action.
The military technology is old much of it not upgradable, eight plus years of deferred maintenance, no replacements for hardware being retired from service, and of the new technology that exists exactly none of it comes close to being serviceable. Unfit for combat, unreliable, continuously breaking down, needing to be towed back to port, for repair. Prone to catching fire, the carrier Ford is still undergoing trials over the next 4 year's, still can't launch aircraft. This is pitiful.
There's no means to manufacture domestically this was moved offshore, last count US has 180(+/-) million unemployed since the 2006 crash. No jobs have returned, these people lost everything, and are dependent on Government assistance for survival. No one in the vicinity of their right mind wants to be dependent on our beloved Government for anything, to be dependent for survival needs is beyond terrifying
F-35这款战机成了"沉没成本谬论 "的典型代表。
看上去美国军队决意要输掉它挑起的战争,而这场战争针对的是美国在常规战争中无法打败的国家的联盟。
美国在使用核武器方面没有任何优势,任何向俄罗斯及其盟友发射核武器的举动,都会引发反击,其目标会是美国的战略指挥中心、洲际弹道导弹基地和决策中心,俄罗斯已经部署了高超音速武器,尽管美国可以跟踪来袭的核弹,但它没有防御能力。
鉴于俄罗斯导弹防御系统的速度和准确度,西方的核武器成功打击目标的可能性很小,核弹在飞抵俄罗斯边境之前就会被拦截。
西方确实拥有庞大的军事力量,但军力稀疏的分散在世界各地,并处于长线通讯的末端,后勤非常昂贵,而且非常容易被敌人的行动所破坏,军事装备已经陈旧,大部分无法升级,八年多的延迟维护期,退役的装备没有替代品,新技术要么完全不存在,要么根本无法使用,有些装备不再适合作战,也不可靠,不断的出现故障,军舰需要拖回港口进行维修,起火事件频频发生,在未来4年的时间里,福特号航母依然必须进行试验,也不能弹射战机,太可怜了。
国内没办法生产,制造业都搬到国外去了,统计显示,自2006年股灾以来,美国累计有约1.8亿人失业。
工作岗位没有回来,这些人失去了一切,靠政府救济生存,没有哪个心智正常的人愿意在任何事情上都依赖我们的政府,为了生存需要而依赖政府是无比可怕的。
Jesus
US has the largest defense budget, by that virtue alone the F35 should be one of the best platforms in the US military....
One Air Force general argued before the congress that the A10 had to be retired to make room for F35 that had superior air to ground capability.
美国拥有全世界最大的国防预算,单凭这一点,F35就应该是美国军队最好的作战平台之一.........
一位空军将领在国会上辩称,A10必须退役,以便为拥有更优越的空对地能力的F35腾出空间。
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Ashok Varma
US is in decline and its military has always been all Hollywood hype. The F-35 is an unmitigated $2 trillion boondoogle in a unprofessional airforce used to bombing civilians in countries that can't fight back.
美国正在衰落,其军事力量满满的都是好莱坞的炒作,F-35是一款价值2万亿美元的非专业战机,用于轰炸那些无法反击的国家的平民。
Jihadi Colin
Did you see that Amerikastan wants to make India join NATO? I doubt even Modi is stupid enough for that.
你没看到美国想让印度加入北约吗? 我怀疑连莫迪都不会蠢到那个地步。
Raptar Drive
Modi wouldnt hesitate 2 seconds. Remember India's national sport is cricket......LOL.
莫迪不会犹豫的,记住印度的国民运动是板球...... 哈哈哈.....
Damien C
Could you imagine the absolute riddicule that would be poured on the F35 by western main stream media if it had been manufactured by Russia?The cartoons in the newspapers alone would have been endless
你能想象假如 F35是俄罗斯制造的,西方主流媒体会把绝对会疯狂吐槽 F35,光是报纸上的漫画就没完没了。
johnny rotten
A couple of notes that have been well hidden by the fake-media main stream, an American general, one of the few remaining sane, wrote a couple of years ago that the US had lost the missile competition with the Soviets already in the 1950s and it has gotten worse ever since.
When the berlin wall fell the NATO military was able to test and study the Soviet planes of Eastern European nations that passed to the western side, the comments were that Westerners were lucky not to have collided with the Soviets, whose planes clearly outclassed the western ones.
It is for this reason that from industries that have always aimed exclusively at profit instead of product quality, guaranteed profits thanks to political corruption and monopolistic positions, one could not expect I do not say excellence but not even a minimum of efficiency, in fact all the new weapons systems produced or put into service in this century have been colossal failures, except for the MIC industries that have made exaggerated profits, the Fake 35 is just one among many such cases, which respect the same modus fraudulent operands.
有几条信息被虚假主流媒体隐藏得很好,一位美国将军,也是仅存的几个正常人之一,几年前写道,美国在上世纪50年代就已经在与苏联的导弹竞争中败下阵来,此后情况越来越糟。
柏林墙倒塌后,北约军方测试和研究东欧国家的苏联飞机,他们的评论是,西方人很幸运,没有和苏联人撞上,他们的飞机明显比西方人的飞机强。
正是由于这个原因,对于那些总是专注于利润而不是产品质量、由于政治腐败和垄断地位而保证利润的军工企业,我没法指望它们有什么出色表现,甚至不指望它们有最低限度的效率——事实上,除了军工企业获得了夸张的利润,本世纪所有生产或投入使用的新武器系统都是巨大的失败,假F35只是许多这样的案例中的一个,都采用同样的欺诈性操作手法。
farbat
the worlds most expensive kamikaze planes
世界上最昂贵的神风特攻飞机。
Jihadi Colin
I love the F35. I hope Amerikastan spends all its money making them!
我喜欢 F35,我希望美利坚斯坦把所有的钱都花在它们身上!
Kenny Jones
Looks like Russia won't even need to develop the S-500 anymore
看起来俄罗斯都不需要再开发 S-500了。
Jesus
This is the state of US MIC, for the last three decades money was spent to the tune of hundreds of billions....and trillions without producing any adequate weapons that are viable. The trend is not going to change in the future as Russia and China press for new technologically advanced weaponry, while US will run its mouth and paint itself into a delusional reality.
这就是美国军事实力的现状,在过去的30年里,我们花了数千亿美元.... 数万亿美元,却没有生产任何足够有效的武器,这一趋势在未来不会改变,因为俄罗斯和中国迫切需要新的、技术先进的武器,而美国将满嘴跑火车,把自己描绘成一个虚幻的现实。
Bob
Believe it or not, it actually gets worse - the USAF uses F-35A variant - this is the only one of the three F-35 variants that has the 25mm gun located internally, the other two variants hang it on the outside. But when the F-35A fires the internal gun, apart from being unacceptably inaccurate, it actually causes structural damage to the aircraft...!
信不信由你,实际上情况更糟了——美国空军使用的是F-35A改型——这是三种F-35改型中唯一一种将25mm机炮安装在内部的机型,其他两种改型将其外挂在机身上,但是当F-35A内置机炮开火时,除了不可接受的不准确之外,事实上还会对飞机造成结构性损伤 !
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